Setting Yourself Up For Success with Rachel O'Rourke

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This is a lightly edited version of the transcript from Captivatingly Confident Podcast episode 107.

K: Today, I have the honor and privilege of having Rachel O'Rourke on the show. Rachel, welcome!


R: Thank you so much. I'm so excited to be here with you.


K: Oh my goodness, me too. Okay, so we heard a little bit about you in the intro and I want to start with the fact that you are a mom of four kids and a CEO and a founder and a podcast host and a coach and an author and you are a speaker. You just have all these things that you're doing. That is....that blows my mind!!


R: You know what? When people say that stuff back to me, I'm like, "God, I sound busy," but I don't always feel overwhelmed, which is a great thing. I think I avoid overwhelm like a plague though, cause I really hate that feeling.


K: Totally. What are some of your ways of doing that? How do you avoid that overwhelm?


R: You know, I've learned to just on a daily basis really or like an hour by hour basis try to follow what feels good. And I notice when I try to force things that's because I have put a deadline on something. Then the work never turns out as good as it should. And my overall energy in the day is affected. So for example, I like last week I had wanted to get out a sales page cause I was launching my mastermind and I just had resistance around it for a few days. It just didn't feel like sitting down and typing up a sales page. So I just didn't do it even though I had set a deadline. And then one of the days last week I woke up like bright eyed and bushy tailed right in the middle of the night with creative ideas for copy.


And I sat there for four hours from like two 30 to four 30 or six 30 and wrote out a badass sales page and it filled up within three days. So you see, if you follow what feels good, I think then everything unfolds as it should and it doesn't feel overwhelming.


K: I love that. So how does that work with scheduling yourself? How do you, especially things like daily habits and you know having a routine with things, how do you find that flowing together?


R: Well the one thing that is always set in my day, and I want to say I'm good about it 80% of the time is making sure that I do have a very set morning routine that is 100% about setting myself up spiritually and mentally and physically for the rest of the day.


So my routine looks like waking up and I meditate for usually 10 to 15 minutes, not very long. And then I visualize what I want my day to look like, but most important like how I want to feel that day. And it's almost always I want to feel spaciousness and I want to feel freedom. I want to have a little bit of adventure when I feel gratitude. And then I think about that feeling and I journal things that I'm already grateful for so I can already get into that state. And then I try to move my body either by stretching or I'll go to the gym. The biggest thing honestly is staying away from my cell phone or my computer for at least the first two hours. I honestly, by doing so, I'm setting up myself and the foundation for the rest of the day. Then even stuff that I may not necessarily initially want to do, you can change your perspective by even just saying affirmations over and over.


For example, I get to take my daughter to the dentist today, I'm so excited. I get to do this. And you're literally reprogramming your mind to where it makes you feel that way.


K: Yes. Oh, I love that. And you and your website, you talk about how Jen Sincero, who is like my hero. Oh my gosh. Can we just fan girl for a second?


R: The first book that she ever wrote, You Are a Badass, well at least she wrote books before but that's first personal development book that she wrote. And that book changed my life. Like set my life on a trajectory where it looks nothing like it did two and a half years ago.


K: I can't, I can't even wait to hear all of that. But I love just how Jen talks about this and she talks about so much about mindset and vibration and how like 80% of what you do is just going to be fueled by your mindset. And 20% is just the strategic aligned actions. But so much of it starts in your brain, but we often don't believe that.


R: Oh girl, the way that I look at life now, I think everybody's life is broken up into three sections. The old status quo is the first section. And this is how you think life is supposed to be or how the world tells you life is supposed to be. You spend a good chunk of your life living in the status quo and then there is the second section and this is when you wake up to like what life actually could be like and this is when, for me it was seeing the world, and that is with these new lenses on that they're like the law of attraction is a real freaking thing.


Yes. Our energy and understanding the power of meditation and visualization, all of that. When you see the world and you're like, wow, I really am the creator of my own destiny. But you still have all of this old old beliefs and old programming so that the second chapter of everybody's lives is seeing the world in a new way but trying to have navigate through it with the thinking of the old you. Yeah. And then the third chapter is when the magic really happens and that's when you are able to see the world in a new way, but you have reconstructed your belief system to where you can actually move through the world in this new way. And once you do that, your life changes drastically. And then the most wildest synchronicities start happening, the path and the things start coming to you that you might have thought of or wrote down in a journal and all of a sudden the next day it's there.


K: It's so crazy. Yeah, I love law of attraction. It's so incredibly powerful. What were some of the things that helped you get into this third chapter and to start shifting? you know, that happened for you in the last couple of years. What did some of those steps look like?


R: Well, it started slowly. So it started by just implementing new new habits. So I started to meditate and you know, just dipping my toe in the woo waters. I made like a vision board. I was doing all of the things that you're told to do. But I was very slowly actually taking action. So when I would, when something would come up, like an opportunity would come up and I could see that it could lead me to something that I was holding on my vision board.


But it was really, really scary cause it wasn't something I'd ever done before or required me to step out of my comfort zone. I would pick and choose which one of those that I would do because oftentimes you're going against those old belief systems. That risk means failure. That money should be hard. All of these things. When I first was implementing these habits, I started actually taking consistent action and really trusting that inner guide, that intuition on a more consistent basis, every time you do that, it's you are one. You're telling God the universe, whoever you believe in, that you're committed and you're serious. Please give me more opportunities. Cause when you give them to me, I take them. And two, you're building up your own confidence that you're not going to die.


It's not going to be the end of the world even if you do fail. The more you do that, the more you're one reprogramming your subconscious mind, and you're asking for more abundance from the universe and then all of a sudden things start happening a lot faster and you get to trusting yourself a heck of a lot more in building that confidence.


K: So you've touched on a really interesting point, which is this idea of failure and I'm really curious, everybody has a different kind of take on what failure is and what it means. What does failure mean to you and is it a thing and what does it look like in your life? Sorry, that was a lot of questions.


R: Yeah, I know. Well, you know, I honestly don't think that the only way people fail is when they give up.


Because even if you're, if you're going after something, if the first path doesn't work, then you always have the opportunity to try a different way. And when you just stop trying to find the different ways, that's, that's to me what failure means. And when you really can like dissect the worst case scenario in most people's brain when they're, when they're thinking about trying something new or they get new information, your brain bless its little fabulous heart, right? It's trying to like protect you. And so it'll, it makes you think of all of the worst case scenarios that could happen. But the more you stop yourself and just even recognizing like, Oh, like thank you brain, I appreciate that. Yes, those are possibilities. But what could be possible if this goes right when you start actually thinking about like, wow, this happened to me earlier this year.


I have, so I have a woman that works for me. Janelle, you've been able to interact with her. She's magic. So magical. She has been working, she was working part time for me since I want to say August of 2018 and earlier this spring she started telling me, I have it on my vision board, that I'm going to work full time for you this fall, which was wonderful. And the, the thing with Janelle, anything she puts on her vision board, it comes true with like she's a magical manifestor. But every time I would think of the responsibility of having a full time employee and like I kept thinking Oh my gosh, well what happens if if this fails and then won't be able to pay her? And then she has kids and all of the worst case scenario stuff.


And then she started, she used to text me 287 more days and tell I'm full time. Every morning I would get this countdown text and I would find myself like feeling like overwhelmed with just all of the worries. Then when I finally caught myself though Kim, I was like, ah, I'm thinking about the worst case scenarios. Like what could be possible if Jenelle was full time? And then I realized that, Oh my gosh, like I could truly scale my business, all these things that I want to accomplish, I could do because I have her time and her devotion to this and all of the sudden everything unlocked for me. And I was like, why have I waited so long to do this? And so at one of my events I got down on one knee and I proposed to her in front of people and asked to go full time.


So things like that are in life all the time. And so now we actually, as of yesterday, have two employees, which is quite exciting. But if you think about failure, and back to your original question, I sometimes take tangents. Um, failing doesn't exist. And if you stop and think about like, okay, even if this doesn't go how I planned, what actually is going to happen to me? And you realize that you built this up in your mind so much that we talk ourselves out of the most extraordinary experiences over what a tiny sliver of what could possibly happen without focusing on the possibilities of actually be amazing.


K: Yes, and I love to do kind of this game. I turn it into a game of worst case scenario, which it's funny because then on This Is Us, this is like what Randall and his wife do. If you watch the show, I love that show. It's so true. And they played it and I was like, Oh, they're playing my game. But it's this game of seeing, you know, taking your fear and just driving it down to what's the worst possible thing that could happen and what would you do? How would you recover, how would you pick yourself back up and keep going and then flip it the other way. What's the best case scenario? What is, what is your wildest dream for this came true and what would that look like and how would you move forward with that? And it seems to take away some of the power of the fear. It doesn't know because they think that that's a completely futile thing to try to do, to eliminate the fear. Now just let it feel you though. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I love that.


R: I really do believe that what you focus on is what will manifest in your life. And like if you're constantly focusing on like all of the bad things, then sure. Think that's what is going to happen. So it really is a practice of training yourself when, when a negative thought comes up to stop it, flip it. I use affirmations all the time, just even saying thoughts repeatedly in my own head. That will help reprogram the mind. It's so fascinating. I really believe that our true potential in life is half understanding your spirituality and the other half understanding the science behind just our innate programming. It's so easy. Just have the habits to reprogram your mind. But something as simple as just saying a thought that you want to believe over and over and over again, the repetition, your brain all of a sudden will signal like, Oh well she must actually believe that to be true.


So I'm going to stick it over here. And her subconscious programming, which is where 95% of our behaviors and actions live. Right? Something as simple as like stopping yourself and choosing what do I actually want to believe versus what my brain is trying to tell me is true.


K: So here's the question for you. Knowing who's listening as I do, what would you say to the woman who has tried affirmations and she's tried vision boards and she still seems to be stuck. I know that could be very specific to each person, but on a general level, what would you say to someone that just is like, okay Rachel, like you say to do these affirmations and I've tried that and it doesn't work.


R: Yeah, well affirmations are just one way of reprogramming your mind. There's lots of different steps.


So step one is deciding, okay, let's use the money because so many people have a lot of old beliefs around money and this is something that blocked me for a really long time in creating abundance. I have these beliefs around money that I have to work really hard to be able to, to attract to make a lot of it. And as a mom of four kids and you know, wanting to actually spend time with them, I didn't want to be working so hard and so much that I was not enjoying them just to get money. I started by writing down all of my thoughts around and beliefs around money down and then realizing like, okay, which one of those do I not want to believe anymore? And one of them was money equal.


"I'm losing my freedom with my time", "money equal no time with my kids". And then I would think about, okay, well those are not the ones that I want to believe. What do I actually truly want to believe about money? And so it would make the list of all of the beliefs that I really wanted to believe. "Money comes easily". "I can make money and feel spacious". "I can go on vacations". And then on a daily basis, I would repeat at least a few of those, write them down in my journal, say them over and over again and try to reprogram my mind with that. Now for deep seated beliefs, I think sometimes, we need a little bit of support. So one meditation that was key for me because we have so many thoughts that are roaming around in our head just by meditating 10 minutes a day, just trying to clear my mind so I could plant the seeds that I wanted, these new thoughts.


That was a lifesaver. And if you have problems with meditating or you're, you're struggling cause I really feel when you're meditating, it's a direct channel to your subconscious mind and it's fertile ground to plant those new beliefs. Not everybody can initially, when they're trying to meditate, can get to that point on a consistent basis. Something that has been a lifesaver for me is hypnotherapy. I go see a woman here in Portland, Oregon. Her name is Mary Lou Rodriguez. She owns Life Guidance, Hypnosis. I used to have this belief around hypnotherapy that it was like people that made you like cluck like a chicken or act like the opposite gender. But truly hypnosis is, at least with Mary Lou, I have a conversation with her beforehand. We talk about all of the thoughts that I want to believe and she writes them down as suggestions to give to my subconscious mind.


She gets me into a, a very deep meditative state. You're very conscious. You can wake up at any time and then she plants into my subconscious mind all of the beliefs that I want. And it is so powerful in reprogramming your mind. So getting support when you need it 100%. There's lots of different things that you could do. Hypnotherapy is just one of them. Visualization is probably the second biggest thing, if not actually the first biggest thing actually on a consistent basis. Visualizing the life that you want to live. What you hold in your mind is basically a snapshot of your future. And the problem is, is we are constantly living in our familiar past what has happened recently to us versus where we want to be going. And so we're recreating the same images in our head and recreating basically the same life over and over again and wondering why we have the same problems all the time.


So actually getting clear on what you want your life to look like. I take people through this exercise all the time. Write down, it doesn't have to be five years, 10 years, but write down like your ideal future self. What is she doing during the day? What does your house look like? Who are you with? But, but most importantly, how are you feeling when everything that you want has already come true? Focus on that feeling and the more you focus on that. I like to think that like that dream life that it's, it's kind of like a radio station, the radio station that you really want to listen to. Say it's 95.5 great life FM. Most people are trying to tune in, they are thinking about if they're even thinking about that dream life, they're trying to, to reach it by tuning in in our feelings, our, the emotion, our emotions and our feelings and how we can line up to our dream life.


If you want a life that you're feeling abundant and free and amazing, but you're coming at it from a place where fear and anxiety and scarcity, you're not tuning into the frequency of the, of your actual dream life. So if you focus each one, you got to focus on what you want, which is focusing on that dream life. And then two, you got to really figure out like how do I tune into the frequency of that life. It's like, what emotions do I need to feel now that will bring that to me? I think this is a very long answer to your short question. Just take time to think about what you actually want. So many people don't do this. You're letting your life and your days dictate everything rather than you actually focusing on what, what potential or what you really, really want.


And then really, really focus on your emotions right now. If you want to be abundant, how can you be abundant in your life right now? I can tell you right now, like I have an abundance of love with my kids. I have an abundance of joy that I can play a game of Scrabble with them. And the number one way that you can really tune into a frequency of your dream life is through gratitude. Because you can be grateful at any freaking moment in time. And it's a choice because there's always something to be grateful for. Always.


K: Okay. And this is a perfect, I love that you brought this up because I think a lot of people think, well then I just need to get there and then I'll be happy or I just need to do this thing first and then I'll be happy. And then when they get there, if they get there it's like, Oh this, this didn't bring that happiness and contentment that I'm looking for. So can you tell us a little bit about what it looks like to practice piecing contentment and yet still have cognitive dissonance knowing that you're, you're going to be over there already. It's already happened, it's just materializing and physical form and you're just waiting for it. How do you balance that, that paradigm that, that juxtaposition of cognitive dissonance, which it's a whole other topic, but how do you balance that with also being content in the moment? What does that look like for you?


R: I have some really wild big dreams and I mean big! And they've gotten bigger and bigger as the stuff I would like. The stuff I was dreaming about two years ago is happening right now.


The reason why it happened is because all of a sudden I had to to figure out how to get at the emotional frequency of my dream life two years ago when I was broke and like trying to figure out like my, what I want, I want my contribution was going to be to the world. A brief little history of what has happened over the last few years cause I think it will really help answer that question. Back in January in 2017, I was in a corporate job that I absolutely hated. I was working like 12 to 15 hours a day. I only saw my kids like 30 minutes a day right before bed. And I just, I was making decent money and I didn't know how to get out of it.


I felt so incredibly stuck. And do you remember that snow storm January of 2017 here in Portland? The city shutdown.


K: It was like cars on the side of the freeway and it was like the zombie apocalypse.


R: Long story short, I ended up having to go into work that day. I was the general manager for a large fitness facility here in town and even though I was able to get it covered with employees, my boss was like, no, we have to set the example, blah blah blah. And so I ended up leaving my kids who were out making snow men and I was having so much fun just watching them to go sit in an empty gym and I was so, and I almost got into a wreck three times on the way there. But by the time I got to the gym, I was so pissed off at myself because I knew that I didn't belong there.


I knew that I was making the wrong decision, but I still did it anyways. And so I decided I was going to be stuck in this gym for God knows how long that day that I was going to just do what the heck I wanted. And somebody had sent me an audible credit recently and I didn't do it. If you don't know what audible it is, it's an auto audio book app. So it was like, well, I'll just listen to a book. I'll sit in my office and listen to a book and I was going to go to the fiction section and something caught my eye and it was the word self-help. And I was like, well, my self needs a lot of help right now. And I looked on the book and it was Jen Sincero's "You Are a Badass". And for four hours and 45 minutes, I sat there and I listened to what she had to say.


And all of the sudden you even know my life hadn't changed at all, the lens of the way I looked at life changed and the possibility changed. And so I started implementing these new practices into my life of gratitude. What am I really grateful for right now? How can I raise my vibration? And so, going back to the law of attraction and what most people teach around the law of attraction and what Jen talks about is that we are, we are all made up of energy and this is actually just a scientific fact. Like the desk I'm sitting on right now, I get it is made up of energy. We are our thoughts, our desires all made up of energy. And that energy is vibrating at a certain frequency. And like energy attracts like energy. So if you want to have, you know, an amazing vacation or experience whenever you're going to be feeling on that vacation, you have to be feeling right now.


So that can manifest, that can happen. And so I started getting very clear or very, very observant about my own energy and what I was thinking about and what I was focusing on and how I was feeling throughout the day. And even though my job at that moment in time didn't change the way that I perceived life And really the way that I looked at life and my perspective completely changed. So I started feeling better. A few weeks later though, I'm still in this job and I'm like, okay, something's got to change. So God universe, I'm giving this up to you. There you go right there in the air and you just give me a sign on what my next step is because Jen Sincero and her books talks about that. There's signs everywhere. Like we just have to pay attention to them. And you can have a sign come to you through an intuitive feeling through just an idea or through like something like honestly like a disease that knocks you on your ass and says, Hey, stop your, your life needs to completely pivot.


And if you ignore the little signs, big signs like that will come. So it was like, okay, give me a sign and we're, I'm driving to work and I'm stuck in traffic on the 84 and the song comes on the radio and I don't like it. So I go to change the station and the radio just shuts off. And so I go to turn it on and change the station again and the radio just shuts completely. I'm kind of pissed off. I'm like, I'm in traffic listening to a really crappy song and I'm going to somewhere I don't even want to be. And the next song that came on the radio was by a band called Sugarland and it's called, "There's Gotta Be Something More", and I won't sing it for you, but the lyrics of the chorus say "there's gotta be something more gotta be more than this.


I need a little less hard time. I need a little more bliss. I'm going to take my chances and taking a chance. I might find what I'm looking for and there's gotta be something more." And by the end of this song, I am just bawling. And not in a sad way though. I knew in that moment that that the universe had given me my sign and I knew what I had to do. And I went in and I put my two week notice in with no backup plan, not talking to my husband. Thank God we're still married. And I knew that I needed to take the leap. And that was my next step. And because I had an extensive marketing background, I launched a marketing consulting business that started to grow very, very slowly. You know, when you start a new business, you just hope that you open the doors and all of the sudden your income is just flowing in.


And that's most of the time not the case. But I actually feel like this was such a gift for me because I had to be so intentional every day with managing my thoughts and managing my feelings. So when, you know, our bank account was close to damn negative, I would have to like really like think abundant thoughts with all, every bit of my reality with screaming scarcity. So you have to be so intentional. And I feel like that experience for me truly helped me understand the power of my ability to plant the seeds in my mind of what I wanted to think. And from that point on they, I slowly started looking and listening for the signs and starting to take action. The biggest thing that got me through all of that was gratitude and really, and we hit on this a little bit before but keeping one.


So this is my part, my gratitude practice and you can steal it if you want. I wake up every morning and I think about three things that I'm so grateful for in my life right now. And I write them down in a journal. Like I'm so grateful for it. And you know, you really have to hone into the feeling like don't just say I'm grateful for my kids, but you have to think, I think for me I think about like, okay, so grateful for my kids. And I think about like that laugh when I tickle them that belly laugh. How like how much joy that brings me. And I'm really like, you have to focus on that feeling. And then after you write the three things down that you're grateful for that are in your life right now, write down three things that you're grateful for that you know are coming your way that you were you are is on that vision board that is in that dream life.


Like I am so fricking thankful for my New York times bestselling book. I cannot wait to go on tour with an and take my family. Like I see my family with me, we're traveling together. They're getting to like go into these new communities and find ways to make it better while I'm doing book signings and really focusing on that feeling and just imagine that it's already happened and think about how freaking grateful you're going to be in that moment. And just by doing that, it takes you 10 minutes a day, people 10 minutes a day just by that alone. It is so unbelievably powerful because your brain doesn't know the difference between what is happening in your outside world and what you're visualizing in your head. And if you are showing gratitude and that the word gratitude or the the concept of gratitude means something has already happened, something's already happened and you are just so when somebody gives you a gift, you're so grateful for it.


So your brain, you're literally telling your brain like this is already happened and I'm so dang grateful for it that it moves to you in a in a manner that is so fast that it is unbelievable. I look around at my life right now and I'm like, I am looking at a vision board that Janelle and I made when she first went full time. Half of it has already come true and I fully believe it is because, and this is like five, six months ago. I fully believe it is because of this practice of visualizing and showing gratitude on a daily basis regardless of what your current reality looks like. Oh my gosh, my mind is just blown like it's just everywhere.


This is something that I've been trying to figure out how we can teach more women about just how to set up their life in this manner where you really are just this constant creator, a manifestor in your life. So right after I quit my corporate job, that same year I launched my marketing consulting business. I knew that I had a bigger purpose and I wanted to contribute somehow to the world. And during another meditation I got the idea to put on an event for women just to teach them about these principles. And the first ever spark event was born and we had it in August of 2017 and since then we've had, we're now in our fourth year moving into our fourth year in 2020 of spark events. They've doubled in size every year. We're anticipating over 600 women at the Oregon convention center in September.


Oh my gosh, I'm so excited. But it's only one event once a year and there's only so many people you can teach this stuff to once a year. And I'm like, how do we get this information out in a bigger scale where people, and not everybody, one, two can afford to travel to Portland, Oregon for a conference. Like I am very aware that I know three years ago I wouldn't have been able to pay even a hundred dollars for a ticket to go to an event. It just wasn't possible. So we just, as of October of this year, we launched the first ever online personal growth school for women called SPARK School and it has been phenomenal. We've got over a hundred students in there already. It's 37 bucks a month. We're giving away scholarships to those who can't afford that. And it's teaching all of these principles, the foundation for how to create an amazing life in bite size modules that people can actually, especially moms, we're so freaking busy so we don't have time to like take like a two hour long class on how to meditate.


We release a module every Monday and the one that released today was meditation. How to actually develop a good meditation practice and utilize it to create your dream life. Because often people hear and they should meditate, but they're not even really sure why. And there's a million different ways of meditating and there's a million different benefits. But using meditation to actually in your visualization practice, I mean, game on! It's so much fun.


K: Spark school. That's so exciting and so amazing that you are just making it so accessible and making it fit into mom's busy lives. And even non moms, you know, everybody's busy and there's high demand on time. You have really met that need and just are stepping into that. It's sister, our world change. And I fully believe that women are the ones that are going to do it.


R: We have the, we have some serious super powers ladies. And there's a reason why so many are, are, are being called to step up into leadership positions. There are so many reasons why you're feeling that tap on your shoulder, that whisper in your ear that there's something more for your life. Like we are called being called to rise up for this change. And it's like all hands on deck. And anything that I can do to help help women in that process of expanding their own lives because you're not going to change the world if you don't change your own life. And then like, I feel like I'm at least making the biggest contribution that I can. And as SPARK continues to grow and as we are growing this empire of change I want so many women to be awake to their own possibility. There's just so much that's available to you that you just don't even know.


K: So Rachel, tell us where can my listeners find you online?


R: The easiest thing to do is the website. So it's www.wearespark.us or www.thesparkevents.com. It goes to the same place. We're transitioning domains right now, but either those. Then Rachel O'Rourke on social media, SPARK events and social media and everything. Gosh, there's so many things that are going on in the SPARK world. I swear. The events, the school, the masterminds, the retreats. We've got workshops where we're doing all of the things that we can take to get women to support them in this, this period of growth.


K: That's amazing. I'm so excited and I'm so thankful for you that you're doing this work. It's so important. It's so important. You forgot to mention the podcast.


R: Oh yeah. So my, my friend Lizzie and I launched the Flawed Female's Podcast in May and really just wanting to have a place to have like vulnerable conversations and it has been so much fun. It's been therapeutic. We talk about everything. I mean everything that even like you might be embarrassed to talk about in front of your girlfriends. Like we talked about yeast infections recently and we talk about sex and we talk about relationships and we talk about depression and we talk about addiction. It's been amazing and it's taken a life of its own. It's landed in the top 100 of self-development podcasts on iTunes multiple times. I'm so freaking proud of it. And, uh, it is very explicit ladies. So if you listen to it, make sure you have your headphones on because we don't hold back when it comes to cuss words on that.


K: It's been great. That's so awesome. Well, Rachel, thank you so much for taking time out of your incredibly packed schedule to share with us. This is invaluable and I'm so thankful that you could be here today.


R: Thank you for having me. And good job putting this amazing content out into the world. I was listening to some of your episodes over the weekend and you're doing the work too, sister. So good job. Thank you so much.

Kim Ludeman